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  Did Ray Franz write COC out of anger?

  by Brutus in

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  i asked my gf who is a jw but not an active one if she has ever read coc and she tells me she has and that his book was mostly lies about the organization and that's the reason he left was because he was tempted by a hooker and ended up sleeping with her.

  he told the elders what he did because he was looking for help and he ended up getting df.

  later he found out he ended up contract hiv.

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  Nathan Natas

  Brutus,

  Congratulations on the pre-marital sex and the three-way; she may be much less of a witness than she pretends to be.

  On the other hand, in her own mind she may simply be 'sowing her wild oats," or doing what she has to do to get YOU to marry her. What if she experiences some guilt AFTER the wedding and decides that she needs to return to "The Trooth" (intentionally misspelled out of respect for objective truth.)

  WHY is she calling herself a witness if she's not interesting in being one? There's a logical disconnect here...

  You said, "We plan on having kids but I would never let them grow up learning JW beliefs. I have already expressed that to her clearly when we do have kids I do not want them being taught that or I will not marry her."

  HUH? Assuming the kids come after the wedding, how are you going to do that?
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  Crossing over with John Edwards

  by Patriot in

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  is this guy for real?

  what do you guys think?.

  i've watched his program every once in awhile and have wondered if he is actually feeling "energy" from those who have passed or if he, like the wts says, is just actually receiving messages from satan and his demons.. i have actually been struggling with that issue.

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  YES, John Edwards is for real.

  The discarnate entities he communicates with are pure bullshit, however, just like the communications from the spirtual realm that the FDS/GB/WTB&TS recieves in "due time."
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  Did Ray Franz write COC out of anger?

  by Brutus in

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  i asked my gf who is a jw but not an active one if she has ever read coc and she tells me she has and that his book was mostly lies about the organization and that's the reason he left was because he was tempted by a hooker and ended up sleeping with her.

  he told the elders what he did because he was looking for help and he ended up getting df.

  later he found out he ended up contract hiv.

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  Brutus,

  Ask your girlfriend to explain to you about the Theocratic Strategy that was mentioned just above. In short, this "strategy" tells her that it is OK to lie in the defense of God's True Organization.

  You're going to MARRY this chick?

  Good Luck, dude!

  Do you know which sexual practices the Watchtower approves for married couples? You may as well invite an elder to come with you on your wedding night to make sure the consumation is performed in accordance with Watchtower guidelines.

  "And who are these Watchtower Elders who will be directing each stroke on my wedding night?" you ask.

  You'll be pleased to know that according to the Watchtower itself, these men are "untrained amatuers." They have no theology degrees, no psychology degrees, no training that might provide them with leadership skills of any sort. They just read the Watchtower and that makes them qualified to tell someone else how to run their life and to sit in judgement of anyone who breaks the man-made rules.

  Do you plan to have kids? Think about what you might like your kids to be like, what you might like to see them accomplish under your benevolent parenting; write those things down, then wad them up and throw them in the crapper, because they will NEVER come true! Say goodbye to your kids the day they're born, because they'll be raised as Jehovah's Witnesses no matter what YOU think about it. Your (oops, I mean HER) kids won't be permitted to engage in school sports activities or social activities, and they'll be discouraged from academic excellence as well. They WILL, however, become trained magazine salesmen of the Watchtower. You're just a sperm donor, Jehovah of the Watchtower is their Father.

  ..and pray to whatever you hold Holy that your kids never fall victim to sexual abuse while under the "care" of these Watchtower shepherds, because the Watchtower turns a blind eye to such conduct, refusing to report child sexual abuse to the police.

  When you get tired of having this weary, joyless, angry old bible-thumping millstone around your neck, wondering what became of the beautiful girl you fell in love with, you'll discover the difficulty of getting her to give you a divorce.

  You're in for a real TREAT, Brutus!
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  Am I the only chicken ....

  by BobsGirl in

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  i am having a really tough time with fear.

  mine is one of the stories on bill bowen's silentlambs site.

  i have survived more than 14 years of abuse, left the "borg", married a man that is amazingly supportive and not a jw, sought counseling and recovery, given birth to a newborn baby boy ...... every one of which has required courage and intestinal fortitude.

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  Nathan Natas

  Voltaire -

  If you stay, how much of your time will you devote to winning converts to this religion you no longer believe in? Or are you hoping to slip quietly into inactivity?

  "Support your local parasitic metaphysician!"
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  Why Are You Here?

  by larc in

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  the question, "why are you here?

  " is simple enough, and your answer may be straightforward.

  however, when i asked that of myself, i find that my answer is pretty complicated.

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  I felt that what Englishman said kinda summed up my reasons, but I should personalize it a bit.

  I left two decades ago, when everyone else that I knew was in and considered me a lost sheep. For a long time i was content to pretend that I was, This was made easier by the fact that my frequent honest statements of (dis)belief were met with incredulity by those who really wished I'd "straighten out." they didn't want to hear; they couldn't hear; and I didn't want to SHOUT. I'm hoping that some other person a bit like me may come here and I be able to express soemthing that helps them.

  I'm also here because I am angry; angry for myself and all the other kids I grew up with who are now dysfunctional adults in one or more ways. I savor each expression of independence from the Borg that I read, wishing that I might see the collapse of this foul false prophet, but knowing that I probably will not.

  I'm here to mock spiritual insanity, to reveal absurdity by being even more absurd.

  There are some here for whom I feel great admiration, male, female, straight, gay, atheist or heart-felt christian; but none with whom I've yet developed any friendship. Lack of socialization skills, you might call it. I spent all of my formative years being the good witness kid, avoiding everything and everyone that didn't have the WTBTS imprimatur on it; still I was never really good enough for THEM, either. I *know* I'm different, you see; I *know* you wouldn't like me. I don't really like myself.

  ...and I'm here for the chicks!
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  Religion makes people smart!

  by Kent in

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  arkansas woman killed in mistaken rapture .

  by elroy willis .

  arkansas city (eap) -- a little rock woman was killed yesterday after leaping through her moving car's sun roof during an incident best described as a "mistaken rapture" by dozens of eye-witnesses.

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  Nathan Natas

  As an American, Kent, I resemble that remark. :^P

  ...what was the question?
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  Has Anyone Tried Yoga?

  by Eyebrow in

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  i have been considering learning yoga for a few years now, but i am not sure how to go about it.

  i don't really have the money for a class right now, and most of the books i have found are either extremely expensive or not really for beginners.

  can anyone make any suggestions?

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  Nathan Natas

  I've been finding that some very good prices can often be found at http://www.half.com. Some of the stuff for sale has been used, but much of it (in my experience) is publisher's overstock in "like new" condition. be sure to employ the Watchtower exorcism rituals as soon as you unpack your purchases however.

  ..and be on the lookout for jokers who spell backwards!

  "Coming soon: DEMONCISE 2: Ultra-High Intensity Workoutsfrom HELL!"
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  Satanic Apostates ONLY!

  by Nathan Natas in

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  i thought it would be fun to discuss the chants and spells we could use to attach demons toold watchtower literature so that we might be able to spread the blessing of chaos throughout the ranks of the one true religion.. i know, what you're thinking, " that's futility...".

  i have it on good authority that a havohej cabal operating in brooklyn ny has had the holy spirit imprisioned in an old wish-bone salad dressing bottle since 1966, which everyone knows was the year the witnesses began to lose their way.. how many of you will be attending the 2001 "nyarlathotep aiieee!

  " assemblies that will be held on the 8th astral plane this halloween?.

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  Nathan Natas

  I thought it would be fun to discuss the chants and spells we could use to attach demons toold Watchtower literature so that we might be able to spread the blessing of chaos throughout the ranks of the one true religion.

  I know, what you're thinking, " that's futility..."

  It's not. I have it on GOOD AUTHORITY that a Havohej cabal operating in Brooklyn NY has had the Holy Spirit imprisioned in an old Wish-Bone Salad Dressing bottle since 1966, which everyone knows was the year the Witnesses began to lose their way.

  How many of you will be attending the 2001 "Nyarlathotep Aiieee!" assemblies that will be held on the 8th astral plane this Halloween?

  Blessed be!

  "Havohej, Havohej, Havohej,
  Nyarlathotep pthunn arboj,
  Sangmanthis garl fnuggli!"
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  Demonology 101

  by Nathan Natas in

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  is it safe to buy old watchtower publication from garage sales or from on-line outlets like ebay?.

  is it possible for demons to attach themselves to these "old light" publications?

  what could be the effect?.

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  Is it safe to buy old Watchtower publication from garage sales or from on-line outlets like Ebay?

  Is it possible for DEMONS to attach themselves to these "old light" publications? What could be the effect?

  A sister in West Niles, IL found a number of pre-1960 Watchtower books at a local garage sale. Being interested in the Society's earlier history and theology, she bought them. One night, as she read the book titled "Children" the letters on the page began to re-arrange themselves right before her very eyes! As if that wasn't enough, she heard a man's deep voice reading the re-arranged words, with a nearly imperceptable background of demonic chanting.

  She immediatley recalled the spiritual armour he had been provided at the meetings and repeated, "Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah" seven times. The book lept into the air under its own power and tore itself asunder, reducing the entire thing to small particles of confetti, and the sister turned into a frog.

  Those who blindly submit themselves to the dictates of the Faithful Deodorant Spray will be spared such an untimely amphibian fate. Make sure all YOUR light is guaranteed fresh!
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  "AHA! AHA! OUR EYE HAS SEEN IT!"

  by You Know in

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  the question has always been, primarily: is jehovah really god?

  secondarily, the question has been: are jehovahs witnesses really jehovahs witnesses?

  or, perhaps worded differently: is the watchtower really the voice of christs appointed faithful and discreet slave of prophecy?

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  If YK had two eyes, he'd have a better PERSPECTIVE on things.

  But he has only one, and sadly that one is myopic.